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Tim Ferriss · 2025-04-17

How Rich Barton Built Expedia and Zillow — Audacious Goals, Provocation Marketing, and More

How Rich Barton Built Expedia and Zillow — Audacious Goals, Provocation Marketing, and More

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CNBC

“It's my favorite source of news”
“It's my favorite source of news because business news is generally happy. Yeah. Got it. They just don't wallow in the”— Rich Barton
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Pocari Sweat

Otsuka Pharmaceutical (inferred)

“My favorite electrolyte is picari sweat ... My nutritionist says that's the one”
“My favorite electrolyte is picari sweat. Japanese one. Oh, the blue can. My nutritionist says that's the one.”— Rich Barton
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Hyperice Venom (back)

Hyperice

“Oh my god. That loosens everything up, too”
“I'm wearing that Venom. Oh my god. That loosens everything up, too. I have it on repeat. I'm wearing that Venom.”— Rich Barton
BookRecommendedISBN verified

eBoys

Randall E. Stross (inferred)

“it was incredibly inspirational. Super entertaining”
“a book was recommended to me called E Boys. it was incredibly inspirational. Super entertaining and so entertaining.”— Tim Ferriss
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Peloton

Peloton (inferred)

“the Pelaton is my favorite one there”
“My knees kind of are not great running, but a softer treadmill works, but the Pelaton is my favorite one there.”— Rich Barton
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The Oceans and the Stars

Mark Helprin

“this latest one I highly recommend”
“Recently, I gifted The Oceans and the Stars. Do you know Mark Hellprin? this latest one I highly recommend.”— Rich Barton
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Winter's Tale

Mark Helprin

“It's just a beautiful, beautiful story ... You might actually like it”
“The only one of his that I've probably reread is A Winter's Tale ... It's just a beautiful, beautiful story of early 20th century life”— Rich Barton
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Polostan

Neal Stephenson

“his latest Polo Stump, I highly recommend”
“Neil Stevenson ... his latest book Polaron. But his latest Polo Stump, I highly recommend.”— Rich Barton
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Cryptonomicon

Neal Stephenson

“Kryptonomicon or something like which I loved”
“It's not like Kryptonomicon or something like which I loved. Side note, me too.”— Rich Barton
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Stories of Your Life and Others

Ted Chiang

“pretty much everyone who read it was just like I don't understand how this guy does this”
“Ted Chang ... has two collections of short stories ... It's like stories of your life and other stories. one of those short stories was the basis for the movie Arrival”— Tim Ferriss
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Arrival

“Jeremy Rener, amazing movie”
“one of those short stories was the basis for the movie Arrival with Jeremy Rener, amazing movie.”— Tim Ferriss
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Exhalation

Ted Chiang

“the second is just unbelievably good ... the ones that hit are just incredible”
“Then a second collection came out, Exhalation ... And the second is just unbelievably good.”— Tim Ferriss
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The Paper Menagerie and Other Stories

Ken Liu

“in this really compelling way ... So highly highly recommend”
“Kenneth Leu ... has the paper managerie ... blends or alternates in a sense between sci-fi and fantasy in this really compelling way. highly highly recommend.”— Tim Ferriss
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The Lincoln Highway

Amor Towles

“it is such a page turner. It's so beautifully architected”
“Lincoln Highway, which I mean, it is such a page turner. It's so beautifully architected.”— Tim Ferriss
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Bowfinger

“It's a cult classic ... I highly recommend it”
“that movie Bow Finger ... It's a cult classic ... I highly recommend it. It's Eddie Murphy Tour to Force.”— Rich Barton
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Procreate

Savage Interactive (inferred)

“There's something very soothing about it”
“I took a Procreate painting on my iPad during co and it's so I'm so I feel so good.”— Rich Barton
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Taco Cat (Taco Cat Goat Cheese Pizza)

Dolphin Hat Games (inferred)

“That is a funny game ... So fun. That was so good”
“Taco Cat. That is a funny game, isn't it? So stupid. So fun. That was so good.”— Rich Barton

The guest's own work

ProductBy the guest

Expedia

Rich Barton (inferred)

“Expedia was a v quote venture startup inside of Microsoft and then it spun out and we can get to that.”— Rich Barton
ProductBy the guest

Zillow

Rich Barton (inferred)

“that was the dawn of Zillow. We're basically building a super app, a one-stop shop application for anybody who's renting or buying”— Rich Barton
ProductBy the guest

Glassdoor

Rich Barton (inferred)

“having data like having a stream of data that people are interested in at Glass Door, which I did with Bob Hman ... is another example of that.”— Rich Barton
ProductBy the guest

Avvo

Rich Barton (inferred)

“We founded a company called AO, which was in the legal space. And we decided to rate attorneys. like Trip Adviser for attorneys.”— Rich Barton

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

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iPad

Apple (inferred)

“I've got my iPad set up next to it rolling, you know, CNBC quietly. Mhm. On mute.”— Rich Barton
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iPhone

Apple (inferred)

“now I have a folder called the Breakfast Club, my iPhone pictures, and I have like a thousand pictures”— Rich Barton
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DOS for Dummies

IDG Books (inferred)

“the book that the dummies series was founded on was DOSs for dummies. it was like the bestselling book about software of all time.”— Rich Barton
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MS-DOS 5

Microsoft

“We were working on MS DOS5 ... it was a really big operating system for Microsoft at the time and we made an upgrade”— Rich Barton
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Windows 95

Microsoft

“this was during the Windows 95 launch. I left the Windows 95 team and I went to the consumer division at Microsoft”— Rich Barton
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Windows NT

Microsoft

“He also liked that we could rebuild all the mainframes on Windows NT which was a different conversation.”— Rich Barton
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Microsoft Encarta

Microsoft

“these things were like Wikipedia before Wikipedia was called In Carta. Multimedia CDROM”— Rich Barton
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Microsoft Office

Microsoft

“as long as Windows NT the operating system succeeded or Office Microsoft Office succeeded they could make a lot of money”— Rich Barton
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easySABRE

Sabre (inferred)

“I demoed Easy Saber on Prodigy. Easy Saber was a tool for travel agents to use at home on Prodigy to access the airline reservation systems.”— Rich Barton
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Prodigy

“I demoed Easy Saber on Prodigy. Prodigy was an online service. and I could get access to it on Prodigy.”— Rich Barton
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Hotels.com

“they kind of pushed us to buy the number two player which was Hotels.com. And so we mashed those things together”— Rich Barton
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Match.com

IAC (inferred)

“I think he owns most of the popular dating apps ... and then spun it out as Match.com”— Tim Ferriss
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Netflix

“Including the IA board, which had bought Expedia, and Netflix, where I'd been on the board since like 2000”— Rich Barton
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Uber

“I was one of the first three advisers when it was called Uber Cab LLC. Way back in the day.”— Rich Barton
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Dropbox

“He went off on one that was kind of Dropbox before Dropbox is like it was obvious that the kind of cloud storage thing was going to be huge.”— Rich Barton
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Google AdWords

Google

“The magic business model that they sort of discovered ... was the AdWords, you know, the digital auctionbased market.”— Rich Barton
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AWS

Amazon

“So, at the time, was it just rentable infrastructure, AWS? AWS didn't exist.”— Tim Ferriss
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TripAdvisor

“It was just kind of like Trip Adviser for attorneys. You kind of trip adviser for anything, right?”— Rich Barton
MediaReferenced

Die Hard

“did you see Die Hard? You remember Die Hard where the the German terrorist leader ... he said, Ladies and gentlemen, I'll give you the FBI.”— Rich Barton
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Stripe

“the forever startups now, like I'm sure Stripe directors make a lot of money.”— Rich Barton
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WordPress

Automattic

“Matt Mullenweg, generally associated with WordPress, founder and CEO of Automatic ... and pioneer of distributed workforces.”— Tim Ferriss
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Shopify

“And there are some other standout examples. I mean, Shopify did really well. Yep.”— Rich Barton
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Kindle

Amazon (inferred)

“I have gifted Oceans and Stars, but I'm such a Kindle person and so many of us are digital readers now.”— Rich Barton
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A Soldier of the Great War

Mark Helprin

“a beautiful, luscious pros writer, really smart, wrote Soldier of the Great War and A Winter's Tale and Freddy and Frederica.”— Rich Barton
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Freddy and Fredericka

Mark Helprin

“wrote Soldier of the Great War and A Winter's Tale and Freddy and Frederica.”— Rich Barton
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The Last of the Mohicans

James Fenimore Cooper (inferred)

“I read Last of the Moheakans just to beautiful. It's beautiful. Take a walk through that area in that time period.”— Tim Ferriss
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Snow Crash

Neal Stephenson

“He's the one who wrote Snow Crash. Oh yeah. Okay. So you know him. Snow Crash.”— Rich Barton
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Starlink

SpaceX (inferred)

“Starlink and traveling Starlink and Starlink at my surf camp and Starlink on my Airstream like it's harder and harder to disconnect”— Rich Barton
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Airstream

Airstream (inferred)

“Starlink at my surf camp and Starlink on my Airstream like it's harder and harder to disconnect”— Rich Barton